February 18, 2009

Why Every President Sucked


(a continuation)

#16. Abraham Lincoln

Despite the South's constitutional right to secede, Lincoln was determined to preserve the Union at all costs. These included suspending the writ of habeas corpus and imprisoning more than 18,000 of his critics. And despite Lincoln's legacy as a liberator, the Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in certain rebel states, in the hopes of ushering a slave uprising that would help the Northern cause. Plus, even if you forget about the approximately 620,000 American soldier and civilian deaths that transpired, Lincoln could have bought, freed and gave every single slave in America 40 acres of land and a mule for less than the monetary costs of the war alone.

13 comments:

sean said...

But he was assassinated and spoke well, which makes him the best

Sabai said...

i just found out today he was killed on Good Friday, too.

You can't write a better hero story.

Frederick Douglass said...

"While I, of course, was deeply pained and saddened by the estimate thus put upon my race, and grieved at the slowness of heart which marked the conduct of the loyal government, I was not discouraged and urged every [colored] man who would enlist to get an eagle on his button, a musket on his shoulder, and the star and spangle over his head."

"While in conversation with him [Lincoln], his secretary twice announced Governor Buckingham of Connecticut, one of the noblest and most patriotic of the loyal governors. Mr. Lincoln said: Tell Governor Buckingham to wait, for I want to have a long talk with my friend, Frederick Douglass., I interposed and begged him to see the governor at once, as I could wait, but no, he persisted that that he wanted to talk with me and that Governor Buckingham could wait. In his company I was never in any way reminded of my humble origin, or of my unpopular colour."

Erik said...

Interesting point Mr. Douglass. Seems like you are saying Lincoln was as progressive as he needed to be to preserve the Union and free the slaves. Yet it still took us almost 150 years to elect a black president.

Frederick Douglass said...

Erik, Mr. Lincoln was a good friend. He wasn't perfect, but who is? Without Lincoln we may not have seen Martin Luther King, let alone Barack Obama.

Sabai said...

is that was he was saying? 'cause he just confused me.

did you know that before the civil war, Illinois made it a law that no blacks could enter the state legally?

so, when you hear about these people that didn't want any newly sovereign states to be slave states, it may have been that they had a moral problem with slavery. it also may have been that they simply didn't want any black people living there.

Frederick Douglass said...

Mr. Sabai, you are referring to Illinois constitution of 1848. This was political. Illinoians again in an effort to preserve relations with the South thought this would be best.

Lets keep in mind Slavery became the main issue in Illinois' senatorial election of 1858. Stephen A. Douglas was for slavery, but Abraham Lincoln was not. Because the majority of the people favored slavery, Douglas won the election. I will defend Mr. Lincoln to my grave...oh wait...

Sabai said...

we also need to remember that being "for slavery" may not mean what we think it means today. For example, I believe that marijuana should be federally de-criminalized and left up to the states. That does not make me pro-marijuana. I do not smoke, and see the harm in it. It simply makes me pro states rights.

And I have already recently stated that Bill Cosby is the one responsible for Barack Obama's presidency.

The idea that slavery would be around today if it hadn't been for Lincoln and the deaths of 620,000 Americans is ridiculous when you see how slavery ended nearly worldwide during roughly the same time period without mass killings.

Frederick Douglass said...

Oh Mr. Sabai. I was not postulating that slavery would still exist today if it weren't for Mr. Lincoln. You misunderstood, I was only saying that Lincoln was the right man for the right time. He was more Pro-Union than he was Anti-Slaves, there's not doubt about that. If he had let the South succeed from the Union who knows how long my people would have been enslaved South of the Mason Dixon. Mr. Cosby's great grandfather may have very well remained a slave and we might have had 3 wars with the South from then till now. How can you slag on Lincoln and not even mention Robert E. Lee? And how can you not be pro-union?

Erik said...

All I want to say is if there was a Confederate States of American in 1942, you might have seen the Confederate Flag flying next to the Swastika.

Sabai said...

do you think the South was anti-union? They obviously saw the benefits of a shared defense. They simply no longer thought that the costs (harmful tarrifs, tyrannical power, interference with state's constitutional rights) were worth it.

There was an easier way to maintain the union. And it didn't involve 620,000 deaths.

as far as who knows how long slavery would have existed without Lincoln? The tide was already turning as it did universally during that same time period.

Erik said...

I don't know dude, Douglass liked Lincoln and he was a black man in the 1860's. I'm gonna go with him on this one. I think this can be boiled down to "we all suck", and President's aren't the exception.

Erik said...

RE: Marijuana
I'll take it a step further, I think it should be legalized and taxed. Its no more a drug than Alcohol, and probably less harmful.